tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post1277236414600237210..comments2024-01-01T19:49:13.788-08:00Comments on The Vigil: North Korea's Taepodong MissileVigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-11183910854472279692006-07-06T09:28:00.000-07:002006-07-06T09:28:00.000-07:00Look up the data on anti missile defence systems. ...Look up the data on anti missile defence systems. The facts are in. We in the USA. already have in place extremely effective systems.Not a big secret,however mass media keep the tax playing populace on tenterhooks. Think about it for a moment, how could the military/industrial complex survive without some form of threat to our continent,if there was none they would be out of business.robertcairns@bellsouth.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-34904328046441263142006-07-05T05:55:00.000-07:002006-07-05T05:55:00.000-07:00North Korea test-fired at least seven missiles ove...North Korea test-fired at least seven missiles over the Sea of Japan on yesterday, including an intercontinental missile that apparently failed or was aborted 42 seconds after it was launched,<br><br>Taepodong 2, the intercontinental missile fell into the Sea of Japan before its first stage burned out.Malfrathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01011433504243655172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-42937534759432875882006-06-26T10:12:00.000-07:002006-06-26T10:12:00.000-07:00So are you saying, Messenger, that only American s...So are you saying, Messenger, that only American skins are rare and <i>cher</i>? More than English, French, German, or Russian, etc.? Only Americans get to live under a nuclear umbrella?DB Cooperhttp://www.sozadee.com/e107/forum.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-90045978450604744912006-06-25T20:40:00.000-07:002006-06-25T20:40:00.000-07:00Just thinking about North Korea having nuclear wea...Just thinking about North Korea having nuclear weapons poised to launch at the United States frightens and angers me. In my anger, I want to do what Perry and Carter suggest: fire a missile of our own right down the throat of their gantry. (According to the two professors, such an action does not endanger the people of North Korea.) <br> <br>It would eliminate the immediate threat. It would undoubedtedly enrage North Korea's political leadership. We would need to repeat it with each subsequent arming of missile/s aimed at the United States. And, the real question is: would it help us move into a viable process of diplomacy and deterrence?<br> <br>To think that our "Star Wars" program is capable of intercepting and destroying North Korea's (or anyone else's) missile attack on us is to indulge oneself in wishful, fantastical thinking.Emilyhttp://www.sozadee.com/e107/forum.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-30224985319510135302006-06-25T17:38:00.000-07:002006-06-25T17:38:00.000-07:00Messenger, your message came through loud and clea...Messenger, your message came through loud and clear!Pekkanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-52261516310312522922006-06-25T08:24:00.000-07:002006-06-25T08:24:00.000-07:00Vigilante says:Before Bush, it used to be that whe...Vigilante says:<br><i>Before Bush, it used to be that when we ... wanted to go to war against weaker entities in the third world, we had to have a pretext. That means a tangible grievance.... <br><br>Not now. The probability possibility of a threat is a sufficient casus belli to mobilize our once 2nd-strike nation to step up and take the first swing....</i><br><br>Recidivist says: <br><br><i>A corollary to Bush's preemptive/preventive war doctrine is the bumper sticker,<br><br>WE'D RATHER BOMB THEM OVER THERE<br>THAN HAVE THEM BOMB US OVER HERE.<br></i><br><br>This is a hard thing for me, as a Post-9/11 American, to talk about.<br><br>During the period of the Cold War and nuclear deterrence - Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) was what it was called - it was generally agreed that a secure and credible 2nd strike capability was more stable than a 1st strike capability. In other words, the USA could say to an adversary (Soviet Union), "Beware: if you hit us with your best shot, we can still come back and bomb you into the stone age." <br><br>That made us and the world feel more secure than if we could only say, "Don't make us nervous, or we'll bomb you back into the stone age." That was what we would have to leave it as, if we didn't have an unquestionable 2nd strike capability.<br><br>Now, even when our technological superiority over North Korea and Iran (for example) is a quantum degree higher than it was previously over the USSR, Bush wants to retrogress to the most instable period of the Cold War. Bus wants to arrogate for the United States of America - my country - the unique right to bomb to smithereens any country deemed to constitute a threat to us?<br><br>Who else asserts that right? Who in the world can expected to agree that Americans have that birthright? To bomb before they are bombed?<br><br>Certainly not Canada. Right, Pekka?Messengerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18403460417149808245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-24766327721467314822006-06-25T01:37:00.000-07:002006-06-25T01:37:00.000-07:00Nuclear weapons are great for defence and lousy fo...Nuclear weapons are great for defence and lousy for offence. Nuclear weapons get you respect and they elevate you to "the major leaque". The fastes way to get the ear of the U.S. and have bragaining power is to have oil or, better still, atomic bomb and oil. I am confident that N.Korea launches it's missile to America around the same time than Canada declare war on the U.S.Pekkanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-28942581052383486342006-06-24T19:56:00.000-07:002006-06-24T19:56:00.000-07:00It's not as if this is the first time that DPR...It's not as if this is the first time that DPRK have tested a missile ..... what is more telling is the OTT reaction in this particular case. It really has more to do with the domestic woes than any coherent foreign policy.leonehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03252298314128747128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-26372410148353510212006-06-24T18:39:00.000-07:002006-06-24T18:39:00.000-07:00A failure to intercept that missile would signal n...A failure to intercept that missile would signal not just that billions had been wasted, they have, but that mighty United States had entered the 21st century a waning power. You don't fall on your face like that and keep the respect of friends and the fear of your enemies. Since it's already built the smart thing to do would be to quietly not mention missile defense and keep it just as a last ditch Hail Mary defense if someday NORAD did see a missile heading for us that had been launched either by accident or by some nut. Why not just shut the thing down? Politics will not allow it to be shut down. Neither party would want the blame for closing Fort Greeley and then having something bad happen. But I believe our biggest worry is a suitcase bomb or a nuke hidden in one of the thousands of shipping containers that enter this country everyday.Beach Bumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03111975008573423515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-68636907943183791472006-06-24T12:57:00.000-07:002006-06-24T12:57:00.000-07:00Yes, Vig, re your last point:A corollary to Bush&#...Yes, Vig, re your last point:<br><br>A corollary to Bush's preemptive/preventive war doctrine is the bumper sticker, <br>WE'D RATHER BOMB THEM OVER THERE THAN HAVE THEM BOMB US OVER HERE.<br><br>In the middle of their on-the-job training, chickenhawks Bush and Cheney have learned that air strikes are nothing if not accompanied with a ground war capability.<br><br>In these times all Rumsfeld has to offer is a ground-up military.<br><br>If North Korea responds with a full-on swarm southward, our troops will get chewed up plenty. <br><br>We are not exactly hostages sitting there, holding our dicks. But we are deterring zippo on the peninsula.Recidivisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02824272869804979764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-66131547249208600222006-06-24T11:50:00.000-07:002006-06-24T11:50:00.000-07:00The graphic of a rocket going awry, Vigilante: is ...The graphic of a rocket going awry, Vigilante: is that the North Korean ICBM or our anti-ICBM missile?DB Cooperhttp://www.sozadee.com/e107/forum.phpnoreply@blogger.com