tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post2533025110239784502..comments2024-01-01T19:49:13.788-08:00Comments on The Vigil: 'Bipartisanship' Is a Filthy Word which Will Bleed Us DryVigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-82984631326415557492010-12-12T16:40:51.609-08:002010-12-12T16:40:51.609-08:00I tend to agree, per usual, with Vig's assessm...I tend to agree, per usual, with Vig's assessment. Great conversation here.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419040049480437384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-4802284787425811802010-11-23T11:04:01.821-08:002010-11-23T11:04:01.821-08:00Good Post Vigilante! And really ecxcellent commen...Good Post Vigilante! And really ecxcellent comments from Emily which I endorse 100%.<br /><br />Does this mean the Wizard's gone all pessimistic? Not at all. It's just that you have pegged President Obama perfectly, especially Emily's "community organizer" comments.<br /><br />Where we DISAGREE is in what will happen next. I genuinely believe I see Obama the community organizer rapidly turning into Obama the Leader. I only wish my fellow Democrats in Nevada had realized the last best hope for America and Nevada was to vote old Harry out.<br /><br />But, even with old Harry in there, we will see good things happen in the next two years,Bob Kellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171655256407149176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-69244486634432331462010-11-21T07:16:47.220-08:002010-11-21T07:16:47.220-08:00Good point, Big Mac. On my blog, I anticipate addr...Good point, Big Mac. On my blog, I anticipate addressing this very point in the coming week. I'm going to start with a story which happened in Pittsburgh a little more than a decade ago.Doc Häagen-Dazshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00577427442824705257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-86316807103522807052010-11-21T06:16:44.346-08:002010-11-21T06:16:44.346-08:00Most people that I encounter each day are really n...Most people that I encounter each day are really not interested in any of this information you guys have dispense here.<br />Not that they don't want the best for this country,but simply because they are so focus on keeping a roof over their heads,that they can't see the forest for the trees!BigmacInPittsburghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13727923795293367521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-34404618617229139202010-11-20T22:08:37.900-08:002010-11-20T22:08:37.900-08:00If people don't start to understand that we ha...If people don't start to understand that we have two parties in this country and they're not the Democrats and Republicans, but instead are the super-wealthy and the rest of us, I don't think there is any hope that the U.S. will ever pull out of this this downward spiral.Non-Partisànhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16694153632432142981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-87590328607312458072010-11-20T17:13:22.283-08:002010-11-20T17:13:22.283-08:00He invited the rethug leadership along with the de...He invited the rethug leadership along with the dem leadership for a chit chat over dinner. I think it was two days ago. <br />The rethugs snubbed him and were no shows. <br /><br />He is a member of the uber elite. <br />The Bush/Clinton dynasty used him as a bridge for further things to come. <br />Just as Clinton was ordered to pass NAFTA, Obama was handed the baton to take us further into the financial abyss, and to continue the endless wars with out borders. <br />The ones that the village idiot W started. <br />Those are now the Big O's wars. <br />No more excuses.<br />The Big O is a war president of choice. <br />He is one of them. <br />When will people come to recognize this. <br />They select so we may elect.Tao Dao Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229628652152584292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-9690298723699223062010-11-20T17:00:43.323-08:002010-11-20T17:00:43.323-08:00Good points, Emily! Especially,
Community organi...Good points, Emily! Especially, <br /><br /><i>Community organizers do not lead; they seek consensus. Obama, the community organizer looks to see the best in his opponents; negotiates openly and fairly, seeks to find the most constructive compromise possible for the benefit of the larger community, and naively thinks he has a "loyal opposition" with whom to negotiate solutions to the mess he inherited from Bush and Cheney.</i><br /><br />And:<br /><br /><i>I fear that Obama's basic goodness as a human being is getting in his way of seeing the elephant in the room, which is: the Republican'ts want to string him up and lynch him and his presidency.</i><br /><br />I hadn't thought of community organizers as non-leaders, non-populists (too!) Profound! <br /><br />And, we know where nice guys finish, don't we?Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-16145718284772847122010-11-20T16:52:50.809-08:002010-11-20T16:52:50.809-08:00I'm sorry, Vig, but I could not disagree more ...I'm sorry, Vig, but I could not disagree more strongly with you and with the professor. <br /> <br />I do not want Obama to dig any deeper into his "Community Organizer" - I've had more than enough of that aspect of Obama. Community organizers do not lead; they seek consensus. Obama, the community organizer looks to see the best in his opponents; negotiates openly and fairly, seeks to find the most constructive compromise possible for the benefit of the larger community, and naively thinks he has a "loyal opposition" with whom to negotiate solutions to the mess he inherited from Bush and Cheney.<br /> <br />Obama campaigned against the Washington status quo of partisan gridlock - promising to change the atmosphere in DC. An admirable goal - one that the majority of Americans would love to see happen. <br /> <br />But, Obama the President fails to grasp the reality that the Republican'ts sole goal is to return to power. Their very successful strategy, which they pursue with zealous unanimity, is to render Obama effete through their campaign of relentless fear-mongering, character-vilification and Congressional obstruction. <br /> <br />After all these months into his Presidency, Obama's newly re-iterated (since the mid-terms) commitment to seek "bipartisan agreements" with the Republican'ts seems to me to be <b><i>pathological</i></b>. <br /> <br />I fear that Obama's basic goodness as a human being is getting in his way of seeing the elephant in the room, which is: the Republican'ts want to string him up and lynch him and his presidency. They care not a whit that it is their policies which have brought America to the brink of destruction. They have no desire other than to empower themselves and their funders, the corporations. <br /> <br />I admire community organizers, and I respect and admire Obama, the person. I fear Obama's own hubris is contributing to his blindness and silence.<br /> <br />I voted for someone who has so far absented himself from using his bully pulpit, but who I firmly believe, could return - IF he permits himself to see the reality of who and what the Republican'ts are and are not. I want Obama to want to be the man of his campaign speeches - our leader, our President.Emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04684959484239769655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-3792780736320729402010-11-20T16:47:17.896-08:002010-11-20T16:47:17.896-08:00Vig:
Thanks, then it was all worth while.
You mad...Vig:<br />Thanks, then it was all worth while. <br />You made my day, week, month, year. <br /><br />This shit will come down the tubes faster than before now. <br />The Big O will go even further to the right. <br />The W tax cuts will be the O's tax cuts. <br />He can not go far enough left quick enough to regain his base. <br />He might even have come to terms that he is a one termer. <br />IMHO he will probably have overt boots [advisers, trainers, security]:-) on the ground in Yemen before next summer.Tao Dao Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229628652152584292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-25428941922948888732010-11-20T16:41:24.250-08:002010-11-20T16:41:24.250-08:00Jes' wanna make something perfectly clear: I&#...Jes' wanna make something perfectly clear: I've never been <b>bi</b>partisan!Non-Partisànhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16694153632432142981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-90072317354917552622010-11-20T16:37:54.053-08:002010-11-20T16:37:54.053-08:00Teeluck, what are you saying? Are you trying cheer...Teeluck, what are you saying? Are you trying cheer me up?Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-50794567214688259802010-11-20T16:36:16.125-08:002010-11-20T16:36:16.125-08:00Yeah, R-Z. You've been telling me that for two...Yeah, R-Z. You've been telling me that for two years. But it's taken me two years of this <b>crap</b> for me to hear you.Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-87820125483473698492010-11-20T16:34:18.810-08:002010-11-20T16:34:18.810-08:00BTW, did you know that 20% of the voters ...which ...BTW, did you know that 20% of the voters ...which is roughly 15% of the population voted for Republicans...and they won the House!Teeluckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07436834652576541130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-33008961758992700152010-11-20T16:32:05.930-08:002010-11-20T16:32:05.930-08:00I hope he sees something still "There" i...I hope he sees something still "There" inside Obama's Soul...but I suspect you are very much on Target with your own assessment...Teeluckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07436834652576541130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-13062623583689139312010-11-20T16:29:44.508-08:002010-11-20T16:29:44.508-08:00Vig, speaking of radios.
Since I got my XM radio I...Vig, speaking of radios.<br />Since I got my XM radio I hardly ever watch the news on television. XM brings news from all over the world. <br /><br />Austerity is coming to America. <br />If any one still believes that there is a difference between the two parties. <br />Then they are fools. <br />We need a democratic socialist to run for president. <br />The presidents change but the agenda stays the same.<br />We are doomed unless this is turned around very quickly. <br />Unfortunately the masses are spineless, and complacent.<br />They have accepted security over freedom. <br />The Corporate States of America will turn this country into a Fascist serfdom before this is over.Tao Dao Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229628652152584292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-67428768168312978332010-11-20T16:16:07.468-08:002010-11-20T16:16:07.468-08:00The Huffington Post on Wednesday reported that sev...The Huffington Post on Wednesday reported that several sources quoted George Soros as saying in the day’s private session that <br /><br /><i>“if this president can't do what we need, it is time to start looking somewhere else.”</i><br /><br />Michael Vachon, a Soros adviser, declined to comment on Soros’s comments further, saying only that the session <br /><br /><i>“was a private, informal conversation among the partners and there was no expectation that it was public.”</i>Soros' Proxyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474800402465417916noreply@blogger.com