tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post2776659512896058770..comments2024-01-01T19:49:13.788-08:00Comments on The Vigil: A Clean BreakVigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-2431872274086480482006-12-19T20:20:00.000-08:002006-12-19T20:20:00.000-08:00To clarify my above statement, I was speaking of o...To clarify my above statement, I was speaking of our historical occupation of the United States, not Iraq.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-64127877763266725592006-12-19T20:18:00.000-08:002006-12-19T20:18:00.000-08:00Dear Skip,I will forever ignore your comments from...Dear Skip,<br><br>I will forever ignore your comments from now on. In them I see willful ignorance, vastly incorrect assumptions about my thinking, and enormous jumps to make links between unrelated events and situations. Oh, and I'm rubber you're glue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-51368729644274939072006-12-19T06:52:00.000-08:002006-12-19T06:52:00.000-08:00You are certainly entitled to that opinion Miss Pi...You are certainly entitled to that opinion Miss Pink. You and Vigilante dismiss the right of return out of hand. <br>America is geared toward being a Christian nation that does not require its citizens to be Christian.? Did you pull that one out of your belief system.? Ha.<br><br>I believe you do not have much credibility in your thinking there. That again is an absurd comment. You justifying Israels monstrous occupation of Palestinian land using the U.S. as an example.? Ridiculous.<br><br>So you support our current occupation of Iraq also , but with better policy`s.?<br>Well , I guess that also says a lot as to your being a credible thinker.<br><br>You support it for the sake of Israel.? Or for the sake of the Oil Company`s.? Or because you like the Idea of us destabilizing the region.? Why do you support the occupation of Iraq.?<br><br>Have you ever murdered anyone personaly, or do you just do it from afar with editorial comments about keeping the Gaza prison camp , or re-affirming our occupation/destruction of Iraq. You support both. <br><br>So you support Israel as an occupying power, but think they should give up the land they stole.?<br><br>Guess what,? , what you are saying does not make sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-51959690680167308412006-12-18T21:39:00.000-08:002006-12-18T21:39:00.000-08:00Dear Dr. Maxtor, I put "right of return"...Dear Dr. Maxtor, <br><br>I put "right of return" in parentheses because it is an idea. I do not think Israel had a "right" to colonize, I do not think Palestinians have a "right" to return. I think the history of war in the region is a history of war, and I currently support the continued existence occupying power (with better policies), just as I support our own occupying power (with better policies). I certainly do not support one dirt clod of further colonization by Israel (they've got a lot of stolen land to give up as it is). <br><br>Israel is absolutely geared toward a Jewish nation, but does not require citizens to be Jewish; the United States is geared toward a Christian nation, and does not require its citizens to be Christian. Both governmental bodies are technically secular; In the beginning Israel was a sanctuary for Jews, the U.S. was initially a sanctuary for protestants--their attitudes toward religion (majority vs. minority) are surprisingly similar (I might even give Israel the advantage on that one...) <br><br>Comparing the two as colonialist nations is not absurd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-5766087583575477372006-12-18T13:24:00.000-08:002006-12-18T13:24:00.000-08:00I noticed that Urban Pink puts the Palestinian Rig...I noticed that Urban Pink puts the Palestinian Right of Return in quotation marks. Yet seems not to have much to say about East European Jews who colonized and continue to subplant the local Palestinian population. What "right" do they to do this?<br>The idea that a Jew from Brooklyn, Moscow and Kiev has more "right" to steal Palestinian territory then the Palestinians who have lived their for thousands of years is absurd and criminal.DrMaxtorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05196044176242565013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-62472897160661758252006-12-18T07:12:00.000-08:002006-12-18T07:12:00.000-08:00This proposal is unrealistic. It is anti-Palestini...This proposal is unrealistic. <br><br>It is anti-Palestinian. Why should people that lived somewhere before , not be allowed to return.? It was their land , that was stolen. <br><br>Your idea presented is a dead end , and a non-starter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-40573535306610907042006-12-17T20:16:00.000-08:002006-12-17T20:16:00.000-08:00Urban Pink asks,"Can anyone explain to me how...Urban Pink asks,<br><br><i>"Can anyone explain to me how the Palestinian "right of return" would allow Israel to remain the predominantly Jewish state that it is today?</i><br><br>Yes, I agree. But there's a <a href="http://pounding-on-palestine.blogspot.com/2006/12/whats-reasonable-settlement.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">new proposal out</a>.Messengerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07717447585401926179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-18969480304717821242006-12-17T09:21:00.000-08:002006-12-17T09:21:00.000-08:00Sure why not.? We can give the country back to the...Sure why not.? We can give the country back to the Indians and pack off back to Europe. <br><br>Any other absurdest examples.?<br><br>America is a nonsectarian country by the way. <br><br>Israel is a Jewish state. A religious state is ruled by religious bigotry. <br>Naturally they hate the Palestinians, because of their different belief system. <br>Their Mr.god has ordered any one different to be killed in the past , so that example is held up and used for an example today also. <br><br>The Jews in Israel would not have had these problems if they had just moved to Waco , and joined the other odd-ball religious cults. <br><br>With their history of genocide and overt murder of non-Jews as documented by their Bible , they are in for some future problems that I do not envy. <br>Crash test ahead.<br> Atomic weapons.?<br>I pity the people that live in that area. <br>Religious brainwashing and its effects are the seeds of bigotry , and war. Politics and religion act hand in hand to humiliate , and control the human spirit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-49571485869199007092006-12-16T22:39:00.000-08:002006-12-16T22:39:00.000-08:00Can anyone explain to me how the Palestinian "...Can anyone explain to me how the Palestinian "right of return" would allow Israel to remain the predominantly Jewish state that it is today?<br><br>If a predominantly Jewish state is of no concern to you, then I assume that you have no sympathy for a minority religion gaining a majority position in one solitary state in the entire world. <br><br>I have no idea what it would be like to live in a state where my religion is the majority, but then I happily choose to live here...but I think about what it would be like to live in a place where my personal beliefs and customs were part of the mainstream culture--something many Americans take for granted. <br><br>As far as I understand it, the Palestinian right of return would be akin to the United States giving a right of return to Mexicans whose ancestors left because the U.S. conquered half their country (only much more devastating to Israel than it might be to us as a nation). Do those of you who support a right of return also support the reversal of that act of colonialism (and others)? I'd be interested to know...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-49687631946059565682006-12-16T20:44:00.000-08:002006-12-16T20:44:00.000-08:00A little too quick on the draw there skip, the con...A little too quick on the draw there skip, the conflict is not a religious one, nor does it have its roots in religious differences.DrMaxtorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05196044176242565013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-57330422897906482742006-12-15T10:11:00.000-08:002006-12-15T10:11:00.000-08:00I understood drmaxtor. Anyway you look at it relig...I understood drmaxtor. <br><br>Anyway you look at it religion/belief is tied into the monstrous situation there. <br>All these groups act out of bigoted, abstracted rationales. <br>This is the trouble, politics, and religion, are happy companion travelers.<br>Religion has always been used to justify ridiculous claims. <br>That is one way to control people for the politicians. Trick the people into believing all kinds of interesting nonsense.<br> Motivate people to work for the cause, as foot-soldiers. <br>What is the cause.? Authoritarian fascist control of the population by the power possessors, in order to line their pockets with so called money, and enforce their belief systems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-61022748736377793102006-12-15T09:38:00.000-08:002006-12-15T09:38:00.000-08:00Skip, I meant your comments about the role of reli...Skip, I meant your comments about the role of religion. Why no right of return for the Palestinians, Messenger?DrMaxtorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05196044176242565013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-11669321072752779272006-12-14T17:52:00.000-08:002006-12-14T17:52:00.000-08:00Borrowing liberally from the Saudi 2002 proposals,...Borrowing liberally from the Saudi 2002 proposals, I ask <a href="http://pounding-on-palestine.blogspot.com/2006/12/whats-reasonable-settlement.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">What's a Reasonable Settlement?</a> Just for the purpose of discussion, of course.Messengerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07717447585401926179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-3559183353581042992006-12-14T17:24:00.000-08:002006-12-14T17:24:00.000-08:00"Pre-1967 borders"? Not exactly, Maxtor...."Pre-1967 borders"? Not exactly, Maxtor.Messengerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07717447585401926179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-84860996919382935442006-12-14T15:52:00.000-08:002006-12-14T15:52:00.000-08:00Actually we are in accord. The 67 borders, and rig...Actually we are in accord. <br>The 67 borders, and right of return .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-41594121517544362382006-12-14T12:39:00.000-08:002006-12-14T12:39:00.000-08:00I'll have to part company with you on that one...I'll have to part company with you on that one Skip, most Israelis are athiests but misuse religion to justify their occupation and ridiculous claims. Its more politics more then anything. <br>Soros, I am a supporter of the Saudi Peace Plan of 2002 which calls for full diplomatic Arab recognition of Israel in exchange for a return to pre-1967 borders, with the Palestinian right of return and cessation of settlement activity. Many of you probably never heard of this plan because the media barely paid attention to it, and the Israelis rejected it outright.DrMaxtorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05196044176242565013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-11058467641462560202006-12-14T11:27:00.000-08:002006-12-14T11:27:00.000-08:00Doctor Maxtor, I doubt very much that you would go...Doctor Maxtor, I doubt very much that you would go on the record supporting the existence of a State of Israel, even limited to its 1967 borders?Soros' Proxyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13273842539757001801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-46712898413032540072006-12-14T09:48:00.000-08:002006-12-14T09:48:00.000-08:00Good reality check drmaxtor. Why do people like to...Good reality check drmaxtor. <br>Why do people like to blame the victims. ?<br><br>The Israeli`s are happy to murder anyone for their promised land. <br>Who promised it.?<br>Their ingenious Mr.god. <br>God is their real estate agent.?<br>That is what they brainwash their kids with. Religious bigotry rules the middle-east from every direction. <br>This will result in something terrible happening with the weapons available, unless it is stopped now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-28392681352703623452006-12-14T09:13:00.000-08:002006-12-14T09:13:00.000-08:00Thats interesting Roger, you support an open deba...Thats interesting Roger, you support an open debate yet place the oppression of Palestinians in quotation marks. <br>The only country which got wiped out was Palestine. Israel, on the other hand is an colonial settler apartheid state.DrMaxtorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05196044176242565013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-54454247079343670562006-12-14T09:00:00.000-08:002006-12-14T09:00:00.000-08:00Yes, an open and full debate on the Israeli-Palest...Yes, an open and full debate on the Israeli-Palestinian situation can be beneficial, but it must include all the facts. A crucial one is that anti-Israel Palestinians and the Arab groups that support them are committed to the eradication of Israel. If Carter does not include that fact, one that clearly explains most of the "oppression" of Palestinians, he cannot join the debate. Any failure to address it is clear evidence of conscious or unconscious anti-Israel bias.Roger Russellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-84549292177070729332006-12-13T14:38:00.000-08:002006-12-13T14:38:00.000-08:00P.S. Thank you, Vigilante, you remind me that I ca...P.S. Thank you, Vigilante, you remind me that I carry on my father's (Christian) combativeness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-82096606430801374092006-12-13T14:37:00.000-08:002006-12-13T14:37:00.000-08:00I can only guess that my criticism of sievert has ...I can only guess that my criticism of sievert has been lumped in with whoever Dr. M. refers to as "zionazis" because I believe that the state of Israel should exist; it falls on deaf ears that I advocate a smaller Israel (and Jerusalem) and harshly criticize Israel's policies toward the Palestinians.<br><br>If one fundamentally does not care whether Israel survives or gets obliterated, then I guess I can imagine how my point of view might seem extreme. <br><br>I would hope, though, that people might admit this position outright--it's kind of relevant to those of us who are trying to work out a solution for the country. <br><br>"You're either part of the future or get out of the way," John Mellencamp. Jimmy Carter, it seems, is part of the future.<br><br>For the record, I never called anyone anti-semitic. I try to avoid labels because, as Phyllis Diller observes, they separate us. <br><br>Peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-15832477347616671182006-12-13T07:33:00.000-08:002006-12-13T07:33:00.000-08:00I am not peddling anything you idiot. My book is f...I am not peddling anything you idiot. My book is free. The electronic copy.<br><br>Oh , and please do not make my mouth say the things that you want to believe. <br><br>That is called disinformation.<br><br>And why engage in such vitriolic nonsense anyway. ? This is not about myself , or my book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-40695124959005276162006-12-13T05:34:00.000-08:002006-12-13T05:34:00.000-08:00Yeah, DrMaxtor, when Skip says "Check out the...Yeah, DrMaxtor, when Skip says <i>"Check out the movement I belong to if you care to "</i> you know that's the rub:<br><br>What can Sy Hersh, Noam Chomsky, Rush Limbaugh, Al Franken, Amy Goodman, et. al. possibly have in common? Clearly, they are all well published authors with a large established readership. Not like our jealous Skip Sievert peddling his book here. He's just an infantile technoBRAT, basically. To him, we are all cogs.Blogging4Foodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17628704388399242676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-26375422244257196932006-12-12T20:34:00.000-08:002006-12-12T20:34:00.000-08:00Check out the movement I belong to if you care to ...Check out the movement I belong to if you care to .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com