tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post4014669606010531520..comments2024-01-01T19:49:13.788-08:00Comments on The Vigil: Belief In the Separation of Church and State Ought to be a Litmus Test for the White HouseVigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-70059533258341974662007-12-12T06:22:00.000-08:002007-12-12T06:22:00.000-08:00I'm an atheist and have a hard time with all o...I'm an atheist and have a hard time with all of this.<br><br>I wish the candidates would stop sucking up to the people who believe in a deity. <br><br>Government should not be in the business of validating one religion or another, or creating policy based on what religious people want. <br><br>Mitt Romney is a Mormon. Mormonism is a racist, misogynistic religion. Why he wants to be associated with it is beyond me. Probably too chicken to dump them, or too stupid.No. 44noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-87778789538090818322007-12-10T21:53:00.000-08:002007-12-10T21:53:00.000-08:00Boris, I am proud to align my self with Pinks. I a...Boris, I am proud to align my self with Pinks. I am a currently un-churched United Church of Christ-Congregational or Unitarian/Universalist. (Just can't make up my mind in my new surroundings here, in Paradise-on-Earth.)<br><br>Besides, Boris, you are poking my city-of-birth in its eye with a stick. I should take umbrage. (But I won't because it fully deserves it.)Vigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-36838005059756034212007-12-10T21:07:00.000-08:002007-12-10T21:07:00.000-08:00I grew up in a conservative town, with a liberal m...I grew up in a conservative town, with a liberal minister for a father. He survived as a lone voice in the example of Christ as a peacemaker and healer. Since that time, I have seen the influence of the Christian right peak and finally be countered by the growing influence of liberal theological thought and influence in our country (thankfully). When we attack faith, we attack both sides of the debate. Evil is promulgated by hypocrites and those who believe in a militant God (and who are waiting for that God to kill "non-believers" which would include me). So I don't think these nuts aren't a threat; I just happen to think that the faithful LEFT have a healthier sense of holiness that can COMBAT and COMPETE against the militant right; so we ought to give some religious people a break when we start slamming organized religion--some of those organizations are on our team.Urban Pinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02556606553132406807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-70095309394201344122007-12-10T17:31:00.000-08:002007-12-10T17:31:00.000-08:00I'm associating myself with Mad Mick on this o...I'm associating myself with Mad Mick on this one. Look what happened this weekend in the heartland of Christofascism - Colorado Springs. Organized religion is the font of evil.Borishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13887019984342458931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-75480563410023202292007-12-10T15:09:00.000-08:002007-12-10T15:09:00.000-08:00The very idea of a separation of church and state ...The very idea of a separation of church and state should a Republican be elected is beyond the pale. I submit they are panderers all, who care nothing about Jesus, or his gang of fools. The fact is the Repugnants have found hope in the Bangers of the Bible. If they can stay with Jesus they think they might win. Sadly, they just might. God rules in America today; common sense ruled yesterday.MadMikehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16753739401363847764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-22747039736006018142007-12-09T16:08:00.000-08:002007-12-09T16:08:00.000-08:00We allready have a pResident who takes his orders ...We allready have a pResident who takes his orders directly from God. Look where that got us.<br><br>The thing that kills me is, the GOP have been running on the anti-abortion treadmill for as long as I can remember (with no results)and the fundies still vote for them on just that issue.<br><br>This used to be a burning issue with me, but now I believe the corporation runs the country and we could put Fred Phelps in the oval office and he would be just as owned as anyone else.<br><br>Except Kucinich that is.Cold War Vethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01906737640888513026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-49953225016769510122007-12-09T09:56:00.000-08:002007-12-09T09:56:00.000-08:00My belief is that it's not 9-11 that led to th...My belief is that it's not 9-11 that led to the strong political influence of extreme Christianity...it has been growing since the 80s when my brother started keeping a file on Jerry Falwell's influence on politics. The Republican Party realized with Reagan and especially Bush I (they used George II to preach to the right) that there were ENOUGH religious extremists to work HARD and get out the vote for them. They are not the majority, but they are a strong, vocal plurality of the Republican party. I actually think their influence is declining, 1st Amendment conservatives are pushing back, and I think Romney and Huckabee might be able to win in conservative states, and possibly even the nomination. But not because they are theocrats, the awful thing is, the rest of the GOP field are obviously nuts, too, so it's hard for any rightwinger to choose one. This all helps McCain.Urban Pinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02556606553132406807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-71994587087771103922007-12-09T08:05:00.000-08:002007-12-09T08:05:00.000-08:00Well done, Emily.I like to add Robert Stein's ...Well done, Emily.<br><br>I like to add Robert Stein's suggestion in Connecting.the.Dots calling for a <a href="http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2007/12/referendum-on-church-and-state.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">A Referendum on Church and State</a>:<br><br><i>Doesn't the Republican Party owe Americans a clear choice--a Huckabee-Romney or Romney-Huckabee ticket--that would, in effect, be a referendum on the separation of church and state?<br><br>The alternative is to keep allowing the Religious Right to keep dominating the American conversation far out of proportion to be their true numbers and in contradiction to a consensus that existed in the nation's politics since 1776 until Islamic terrorists gave Bush's Christian absolutists a climate of fear in which to propagate their own extremism.</i><br><br>I say "Amen" to that.Vigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-37887011064183215582007-12-08T22:10:00.000-08:002007-12-08T22:10:00.000-08:00Excellent post and point. I find it crazy that we...Excellent post and point. I find it crazy that we're comparing Kennedy and Romney speeches. It's not hard to separate the wheat from chaff there. Iowa's going to be interesting.Urban Pinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02556606553132406807noreply@blogger.com