tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post4307791353201986728..comments2024-01-01T19:49:13.788-08:00Comments on The Vigil: Wes Clark 'Not Welcome' at the D.N.C. ???Vigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-14311965068407052632008-08-22T22:33:00.000-07:002008-08-22T22:33:00.000-07:00It's Biden.It's Biden.Stella by Starlighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16385761338190877425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-28399794492577817322008-08-20T16:19:00.000-07:002008-08-20T16:19:00.000-07:00A last grasp at a possibility Mike and Soros. Cou...A last grasp at a possibility Mike and Soros. Couldn't the DNC broadcast Clark in from Europe to the DNC (big screen ala The Bill Maher Show), and select him as VP.<br><br>Alas, Mike, I think Clark is off the short list. Although I completely agree with macdaddy: <i>Obama appears "soft" on foreign policy, he will need a military person to give his ticket more strength. For the democratic party, that means Wesley Clark.</i><br><br>That's our Dems always tripping over their feet. I blog sometimes at a conservative spot and the contributors are constantly mocking Pelosi. How can I honestly disagree?Stella by Starlighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16385761338190877425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-89131976013037827522008-08-20T15:36:00.000-07:002008-08-20T15:36:00.000-07:00You're being far, far too credulous, Mike. Obv...You're being far, far too credulous, Mike. Obviously, the general wouldn't have been allowed to go Europe, unless he had been informed that he's not on the short list. <br><br>There's another possibility of course, having to do with his no longer being in Europe.... To much to wish for, so I rescind this suggestion.Soros' Proxyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04474800402465417916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-24714073849495109732008-08-20T11:35:00.000-07:002008-08-20T11:35:00.000-07:00Actually Wes is in Europe during the DNC and canno...Actually Wes is in Europe during the DNC and cannot attend, much less speak. This was his choice and had nothing to do with decisions made by the Obama camp.MadMikehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16753739401363847764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-46611370788283036742008-08-19T17:44:00.000-07:002008-08-19T17:44:00.000-07:00Such a boneheaded move it makes me believe this ca...Such a boneheaded move it makes me believe this can't be for real. See my last post.Danielahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13817659953403755775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-69599438328442339072008-08-19T11:43:00.000-07:002008-08-19T11:43:00.000-07:00My email to Howard Dean regarding General Clark.Go...My email to Howard Dean regarding General Clark.<br><br><i>Gov. Dean, I think the Democratic Party refusing to invite General Wesley Clark to the DNC is disgraceful. This man has served his country with dignity and honor.<br><br>I fail to understand why the Democratic Party has not provided more support to Gen. Clark and appoint him to positions, such as Vice-President elect, for which he is duly qualified.<br><br>I hope this error has not cost my party another presidential election. I will support whatever VP nominee is chosen, particularly Sen. Biden, but I take great exception to the intentional oversight and our party has shown in not inviting the General to the convention is simultenously impolite and impolitic.</i>Stella by Starlighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16385761338190877425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-55038334536644524462008-08-19T09:39:00.000-07:002008-08-19T09:39:00.000-07:00Well, once again, I'm with Vig. However, he m...Well, once again, I'm with Vig. However, he may not go well in the south. As long as McGain picks Lieberman, whom no one likes, we have a slim chance. <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/17/joe-biden-id-make-a-great_n_107674.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Huffpo</a> posted a great article about Biden in June. And he's been anti-Bush since the beginning.<br><br>And, true also, Vig, that no one really knows what Obama stands for. This is been a problem with the Dems for as long as I can remember—quite a while, I might add.<br><br>From El Generico, place your bets: <a href="http://swiftspeech.blogspot.com/2008/08/vegas-odds-on-obamas-vp-pick.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Vegas odds on Obama's VP pick</a>.<br><br>DNC's treatment of Clark is beyond disgusting. The Dems will be seen as treating a NATO General who has worked hard for the party with complete disregard. I dont' think the DNC is being theatrical, Vig. Just stupid. Boris, sorry, no offense, but I'd like to see more background on Clark.<br><br>We can blame our own party if, and possibly when, we lose this election. This is the second time we've ignored and belittled Clark. I am disgusted and plan to call the DNC in protest.<br><br>I'll take Urban Pink's attack dog: and that would be Biden. I can't disagree with Wizard, but I certainly hoped the DNC would use their brains this time. Beach, Colin Powell? Hmmm... interesting. And Mike, I guess you can tell me you told me so. I don't mind, but Clark would have been a tour de force in this election.Stella by Starlighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16385761338190877425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-20188424870868098252008-08-19T08:11:00.000-07:002008-08-19T08:11:00.000-07:00Just want to go on record as having noticed Yellow...Just want to go on record as having noticed <b>Yellow Dog</b>'s suggestion of <b>Joe Biden</b>. I'd miss him in the Senate, but he'd be great on the campaign trail as well as a facilitator in Congress. Biden's very acceptable.Vigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-12871651778676769302008-08-19T08:04:00.000-07:002008-08-19T08:04:00.000-07:00Loosen up, Vigilante. It will be Kaine. rimes with...Loosen up, Vigilante. It will be Kaine. rimes with McCain!Blogging4Foodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04518401800031515499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-89241887910217709372008-08-19T07:29:00.000-07:002008-08-19T07:29:00.000-07:00Paul Abrams The BIG Reason McCain Dreads a Clark V...Paul Abrams <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/the-big-reason-mccain-dre_b_119674.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">The BIG Reason McCain Dreads a Clark VP Pick</a><br><br>There is a list of contrasts to John McCain, which is too long for a single article. <br><br><i>Some were military, others character, still others "civilian." By all those accounts McCain pales in comparison to Clark.<br><br>.....It could have been added that Clark had several appointments that required Senate approval. McCain never did. Clark was approved by a voice vote of the Republican-controlled Senate to be Supreme Allied Commander Europe. John McCain was part of that Republican-controlled Senate.<br><br>.....Inevitably, inexorably, indubitably the military records of these two men will be opened, examined, sliced and diced and compared by the press. Enormous pressure will build on McCain to sign a release form that allows access to all his military records, a step he has never taken.<br><br>.....Despite his imprisonment in North Vietnam, there is reason to believe that McCain's entire military record will not look very good compared to Wes Clark's. Included in such documents will be the planes McCain crashed, his overall behavior and demeanor, comments upon his leadership potential by commanding officers, his temper and other events we can only surmise.</i><br><br>I can't let this go!Vigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-77107012458675011612008-08-18T16:34:00.000-07:002008-08-18T16:34:00.000-07:00Great post Vig. I love the way you lay out Clarks...Great post Vig. I love the way you lay out Clarks credentials and contrast them with McCain's slim resume. I'd love to see Clark as Obama's running mate. What I don't understand is the reason for the press taking him out of the running--though I have to admit I've yet to read the Huff piece. I like the idea that this is all misdirection. Good call, wizard.Utah Savagehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16385093247915560752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-54025700499839790932008-08-18T16:33:00.000-07:002008-08-18T16:33:00.000-07:00I suspect something happened behind the scenes; so...I suspect something happened behind the scenes; something to which we are not privy. Regardless I never thought Clark would be the VP. What is forgotten here is that Obama has advisors to help him with situations on the world stage. What he needs is a VP who will help him win those states are in play. I still hope for Hillary but I also think it will be Biden.MadMikehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16753739401363847764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-66089703097909381002008-08-18T13:33:00.000-07:002008-08-18T13:33:00.000-07:00Clark dared to denounce war-hero McCain and the me...Clark dared to denounce war-hero McCain and the media attacked his ass. The Obama campaign has buckeled under the pressure.Anijohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07116077822730468399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-13304716835280151812008-08-18T12:13:00.000-07:002008-08-18T12:13:00.000-07:00Just for poops and giggles and general FYI I have ...Just for poops and giggles and general FYI I have to throw this out there. As I was driving home from work today I heard on NPR an improbable but very interesting speculation on who Obama's VP might be. I forgot the name of who was speaking but it was the chief political dude for NPR and he reported rumors that Collin Powell's name was being thrown around due to his military an foreign policy experience. Of course even he didn't think much of the rumor and brought Bidden's name up again.Beach Bumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11000824454124236774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-25695842210354081762008-08-18T08:05:00.000-07:002008-08-18T08:05:00.000-07:00It's going to be Joe Biden. Betcha!It's going to be <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/17/biden_trip_to_georgia_stokes_v.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Joe Biden</a>. Betcha!Yellow Doghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07240896921792157807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-11778505253240449992008-08-18T07:41:00.000-07:002008-08-18T07:41:00.000-07:00Vigil, maybe Barry doesn't feel he needs to pa...<b>Vigil</b>, maybe Barry doesn't feel he needs to partner-up with an international affairs expert. Mayhill Fowler in the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-says-no-to-foreign_b_95357.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Huffington</a> reports:<br><br>At a fundraiser in San Francisco, Barack Obama took a question on what he's looking for in a running mate. <br><br><i>"I would like somebody who knows about a bunch of stuff that I'm not as expert on. I think a lot of people assume that might be some sort of military thing to make me look more Commander-in-Chief-like. Ironically, this is an area--foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain.<br><br>"It's ironic because this is supposedly the place where experience is most needed to be Commander-in-Chief. Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags 'I've met leaders from eighty countries'--I know what those trips are like! I've been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There's a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then--you go.<br><br>"You do that in eighty countries--you don't know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa--knowing the leaders is not important--what I know is the people. . . ."<br><br>"I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college--I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. . . .<br><br>"Nobody is entirely prepared for being Commander-in-Chief. The question is when the 3 AM phone call comes do you have somebody who has the judgment, the temperament to ask the right questions, to weigh the costs and benefits of military action, who insists on good intelligence, who is not going to be swayed by the short-term politics. By most criteria, I've passed those tests and my two opponents have not."</i><br><br>What do you think?Soros' Proxyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04474800402465417916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-7338540899847909602008-08-18T07:32:00.000-07:002008-08-18T07:32:00.000-07:00Good riddance to the Perfumed Prince, Virgil.Good riddance to the <a href="http://nothing-is-off-the-table.blogspot.com/2007/12/perfumed-prince.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Perfumed Prince</a>, Virgil.Borishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13887019984342458931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-91612743657222332302008-08-17T23:21:00.000-07:002008-08-17T23:21:00.000-07:00Thanks to the readers who read, considered, and co...Thanks to the readers who read, considered, and commented on this column in varying states of completion. I think I'm finished with it.<br><br>I might add that this is a rare moment of agreement with Ex-CIA Larry Johnson on his Clintonista blog, <a href="http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/17/who-should-be-vp-pat-says-wes-clark-for-a-dozen-reasons/#more-4230" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">No Quarter</a>, where he says if not Clinton, then Clark for Vice-President. Only I reverse it: the only possible excuse I can see for not calling upon General Clark would be to call upon Senator Clinton. <br><br>In any case, the road to perdition opens before the Progressive cause.Vigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-78355545582907551382008-08-17T21:55:00.000-07:002008-08-17T21:55:00.000-07:00Vig, I have burdened you with another award. Said...Vig, I have burdened you with another award. Said nice things about Emily too. Come see me. Please.Utah Savagehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16385093247915560752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-35475892710098314652008-08-17T20:15:00.000-07:002008-08-17T20:15:00.000-07:00I heard on Air America that Clark will be in Europ...I heard on Air America that Clark will be in Europe during the convention. Subterfuge? I do hope that Obama picks someone with war cred AND an attack dog. I'll take the latter over the former, to be honest--but I've lately realized that we have to act like war mongers (in our rhetoric only) to get the votes of the Americans. We're evolving against our violent nature, but it's slow and we need to cling together...Urban Pinkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02556606553132406807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-10691264097206144122008-08-17T11:33:00.000-07:002008-08-17T11:33:00.000-07:00wizard: With the flack in Georgia, I think it has ...wizard: With the flack in Georgia, I think it has risen. I don't subscribe to this, but many say that Obama's response to the Georgia situation was too even-handed, that he should have been more forceful in condemning the aggressor Russia. Of course, he did condemn Russia as the aggressor. It was in the first sentence of his statement at a press conference. Then he appealed to both sides to stop the fighting. But that wasn't enough for some folks. <br><br>So the idea is that, since Obama appears "soft" on foreign policy, he will need a military person to give his ticket more strength. For the democratic party, that means Wesley Clark. I still think he's going to be Obama's VP.MacDaddyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01483912561779369669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-53219444517058662252008-08-17T08:24:00.000-07:002008-08-17T08:24:00.000-07:00It might be classic misdirection. Keep the spotli...It might be classic misdirection. Keep the spotlight off Clark so the surprise will be bigger.<br><br>While I had originally thought Clark was not a viable VP choice (and wrote that here in your comments section several times), I thought his stock would rise with the situation in Georgia. Clark is an expert in tis arena.the WIZARD, fkaphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18171655256407149176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-22777507028013728242008-08-17T08:04:00.000-07:002008-08-17T08:04:00.000-07:00I don't believe it!I don't believe it!MacDaddyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01483912561779369669noreply@blogger.com