tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post4408905722099263745..comments2024-01-01T19:49:13.788-08:00Comments on The Vigil: Lieberman-Lamont: Rock & Roll, Baby!!Vigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-14709735902176361452006-08-11T06:21:00.000-07:002006-08-11T06:21:00.000-07:00Em, I don't see why you post Republican advice...Em, I don't see why you post Republican advice to Democrats. Especially Jonah, who has made a not very distinguished career out of cheap, snarky, sniping attacks on leading progressives. Take for example his shot at Clinton (I followed your link):<br><br><i>For many liberals, when white Christian politicians talk about God, it's scary. . . . President Clinton came the closest, but liberals could overlook it because they suspected that he really didn't mean it.</i><br><br>That's a totally baseless gibe. And when it comes to professions and confessions of faith, no one tops the scale in hypocrisy more than the bible-thumping Republicans. <br><br>Goldberg is so full of CRAP! So obvious when he says Lamont's "ardent supporters are ... still inclined to blame America first."<br><br>CRAP: No one I knows blames America first. Everyone I know blames <b>BUSH</b>! First. Last. and Forever. The worse president in history.Recidivisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02824272869804979764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-62089399972105121512006-08-10T08:23:00.000-07:002006-08-10T08:23:00.000-07:00Nice comments, everyone! I really enjoy y'all ...Nice comments, everyone! I really enjoy y'all stopping by!Vigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-89222043992073732132006-08-09T20:53:00.000-07:002006-08-09T20:53:00.000-07:00It's good to know that fkap, even though he...It's good to know that fkap, even though he's a wizard, is still human!Blogging4Foodhttp://www.sozadee.com/e107/forum.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-77880722379811198562006-08-09T15:44:00.000-07:002006-08-09T15:44:00.000-07:00You're not pooping my party, Mick, and I am dr...You're not pooping my party, Mick, and I am drinking champaign. What happens in Connecticut in November (Let's work and hope for the best!) is less important than what happened yesterday: Conn voters put the war issue on the front burner <i>nationally</i>, established that momentum was with Progressivism, and served that notice on the Clintonistas. <br><br>Now let the national campaign begin.Messengerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07717447585401926179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-62595806504557619842006-08-09T14:28:00.000-07:002006-08-09T14:28:00.000-07:00Before we start chilling the champagne in preparat...Before we start chilling the champagne in preparation for the November elections it is important to remember that Jumpin' Joe will probably win in a three way race.......<br><br>You can all call me the party pooper if you wish :-) :-)MadMikehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03593724257782751406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-29561918728399905672006-08-09T08:25:00.000-07:002006-08-09T08:25:00.000-07:00WHOA!!!! Connecticut!!!!I can't believe I sa...WHOA!!!! <b>Connecticut</b>!!!!<br><br>I can't believe I said Vermont..... That's what I get for posting in the middle of the night while watching Larry King Live..... <br><br>My congratulations still stands. The blogosphere finally has the victory they've sought since Howard Dean imploded.<br><br><a href="http://www.wizardfkap.com" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">the Wizard........</a>the WIZARD, fkaphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18171655256407149176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-64792233268370520062006-08-08T22:22:00.000-07:002006-08-08T22:22:00.000-07:00"Vermont"?Did I miss another memo?"Vermont"?<br><br>Did I miss another memo?DB Cooperhttp://www.sozadee.com/e107/forum.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-40854811988560183922006-08-08T22:11:00.000-07:002006-08-08T22:11:00.000-07:00Congratulations to Vigilante and all the bloggers ...Congratulations to Vigilante and all the bloggers who turned the Ned Lamont challenge of Joe Lieberman into a national referendum on George Bush's un-provoked, unnecessary, largely unilateral invasion and unplanned occupation of Iraq (UULUIUOI).<br><br>You won and Bush clearly lost (big time). I have great faith in democracy and the will of the voters. In tonight's election I believe the voters of Vermont (at least the registered Democrats) have spoken clearly and I bow to their wisdom.<br><br><a href="http://www.wizardfkap.com" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">the Wizard.......</a>the WIZARD, fkaphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18171655256407149176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-26993010529464378372006-08-08T21:56:00.000-07:002006-08-08T21:56:00.000-07:00Lieberman is going to run on plank he has cobbled ...Lieberman is going to run on plank he has cobbled together that sounds something like 'bipartisan centrism'. Paul Krugman says <a href="http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/04/opinion/04krugman.html?n=Top%2fOpinion%2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fColumnists%2fPaul%20Krugman" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Centrism Is for Suckers</a> and that the argument against Lieberman is the same argument against Republican Chris Shays:<br><br><i>. . . . compare this with the behavior of advocacy groups like the Sierra Club, the environmental organization, and Naral, the abortion-rights group, both of which have endorsed Senator Lincoln Chafee, Republican of Rhode Island, for re-election. . . .<br><br>“We choose people, not parties.”<br><br>But while this principle might once have made sense, it’s just naïve today. Given both the radicalism of the majority party’s leadership and the ruthlessness with which it exercises its control of the Senate, Mr. Chafee’s personal environmentalism is nearly irrelevant when it comes to actual policy outcomes; the only thing that really matters for the issues the Sierra Club cares about is the “R” after his name.<br><br>Put it this way: If the Democrats gain only five rather than six Senate seats this November, Senator James Inhofe, who says that global warming is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” will remain in his current position as chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. And if that happens, the Sierra Club may well bear some of the responsibility.<br><br>. . . . The point is that those who cling to the belief that politics can be conducted in terms of people rather than parties — a group that also includes would-be centrist Democrats like Joe Lieberman and many members of the punditocracy — are kidding themselves. <br><br>. . . . And those who refuse to recognize this reality end up being useful idiots for those, like President Bush, who have been consistently ruthless in their partisanship.</i>Emilyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02995427860718464314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-51890105913848770632006-08-08T20:45:00.000-07:002006-08-08T20:45:00.000-07:00I listened to both Connecticut speeches and I gott...I listened to both Connecticut speeches and I gotta say that it's a clear choice. Night and Day.<br><br>Lieberman's candidacy is all about entitlement, all about resume, all about six more years. It's all about his right to keep his Senate seat.<br><br>It's depressing and disappointing to learn he's going to scuttle the state Democratic party by running as a wild cat. But it's not surprising, based upon what he's said about doing it, and based upon his warmongering behavior for the last four years.<br><br>The real surprise is what a great speaker Lamont is! He's the underdog, because the Republican loyalists will be repaying loyality, supporting <i>their</i> man Joe.Messengerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07717447585401926179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-39934812959985976992006-08-08T15:06:00.000-07:002006-08-08T15:06:00.000-07:00Hey Vigil...This has nothing to do with the topic ...Hey Vigil...This has nothing to do with the topic at hand but I have to know: How do you put those red boxes around parts of your text. I want to do that! Thanks :-) :-)MadMikehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03593724257782751406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-8403747851078068022006-08-08T13:39:00.000-07:002006-08-08T13:39:00.000-07:00It's not that Wizard out nuanced me on Tom Leh...It's not that Wizard out nuanced me on Tom Lehrer; he's just walking on my musical illiteracy.<br><br>But when Wiz says:<br><br><i>"In this sense Vigilante's points comparing Lieberman with Humphrey fall apart. Hubert Humphrey held back his true opinions and feelings on Viet Nam, in deference to his boss, President Johnson.<br><br>Lieberman, in contrast, is holding nothing back. He stands behind his position with reason, eloquence and courage. Today he is facing defeat with honor.</i>"<br><br>My comparison does not fall apart, though the Wizard has picked off a technical flaw. Everyone suspected Humphrey knew better and earlier than LBJ that the Vietnam was a quagmire, but I don't ever remember him actually admitting to it. So that, there's that difference, I guess. But Lieberman is Republican on the war, which is just another way to say he's wrong. Humphrey, by sucking up to LBJ and his debacle was the historical equivalent of all of the current GOP-ers who currently cling-on to GWB's stay-the-course program on Iraquagmire.<br><br>Humphrey and Lieberman have tragic biographies as Democrats; both were caught on the wrong side of two different but comparably pivotal fulcrums of history. <br><br>If Lamont (or, for that matter, John Doe or Joe Smoe) is an opportunist "bright enough to read the tea leaves", I'll take him in a heartbeat. If the Wizard possesses the wizardry to pull off trades like he poses, I accept and I'll be on Ebay tonight, looking him up.Vigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-20028368426785944342006-08-08T13:14:00.000-07:002006-08-08T13:14:00.000-07:00A happy thought about Lieberman's probably def...A happy thought about Lieberman's probably defeat from <a href="http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=109147" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"><i>The Nation</i></a> on 08/08/06:<br><br>"If anti-Iraq War challenger Ned Lamont defeats pro-war incumbent Joe Lieberman in today's contest for the Democratic Senate nod in Connecticut, and if Democrats in Washington finally figure our that no message energizes their base so much as the "Bring the Troops Home" signal that Lamont has sent, then the 2006 election could yet be the referendum on George W. Bush's misguided policies that Democrats denied voters in 2002 and 2004.<br>...<br>"The prospect that the Connecticut primary could be about more than one state's Senate nomination is what will make tonight a rare moment in American politics. It has been a long time since a Democratic Senate primary shifted the direction of national politics. If this one does, and if it pushes the party in the direction of the anti-war position embraced by most Americans at this point, then this will be a historic day – the day when, after far too long, our politics again became meaningful."<br><br>Indeed, messenger, let us hope. BTW, I located <a href="http://www.amiright.com/parody/80s/queen47.shtml" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">"Lieberman Bites the Dust"</a>. Nice parody.Stella by Starlighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16385761338190877425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-63055116093399024552006-08-08T08:43:00.000-07:002006-08-08T08:43:00.000-07:00Tom Leher is an amazing satirical talent. A Harva...Tom Leher is an amazing satirical talent. A Harvard educated mathematician, Leher found his calling as a pianist, singer and songwriter. <br><br>HIs greatest fame came as part of a weekly television series called "That Was The Week That Was," often referred to be fans as TW3.<br><br>TW3 was truly ahead of it's time. It was a scathing liberal precursor of John Stewart and The Colbert Report. And they did it on a network (NBC, I believe)!<br><br>To put "Whatever Bacame of Hubert" in context, it was more of a lament of the postion on Vice President. Historically, the VP has been largely a ceremonial postion, with no real power or access to the President.<br><br>I'm certain many here wish that Dick Cheney had found himself locked in the same broom closet that Humphrey had occupied.<br><br>In this sense Vigilante's points comparing Lieberman with Humphrey fall apart. Hubert Humphrey held back his true opinions and feelings on Viet Nam, in deference to his boss, President Johnson.<br><br>Lieberman, in contrast, is holding nothing back. He stands behind his position with reason, eloquence and courage. Today he is facing defeat with honor.<br><br>Contrast that with his opponent, Lamont, who is bright enough to read the tea leaves and poll numbers and get on the "anti-war" bandwagon just to get elected. <br><br>Lieberman may be dead wrong on the war, but he is still the better man. <br><br>I wouldn't trade you a single Lieberman for a hundred Lamonts (or Humphrey's either).<br><br>BTW, [shamelss plug alert], we play ALL the music of Tom Leher on <a href="http://www.wizardradio.org" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">WiZARD RADIO</a>, a FREEFORM extreme variety Internet Radio Station, playing everything from classic rock to classical music [/end shameless plug].<br><br><a href="http://www.wizardfkap.com/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">the Wizard......</a>the WIZARD, fkaphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18171655256407149176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-54180419860492484732006-08-07T16:49:00.000-07:002006-08-07T16:49:00.000-07:00Excellent Cal! As to Joe L. he made his bed. I am...Excellent Cal! As to Joe L. he made his bed. I am nervous about Lamont but JL has to pay. Great lyrics guys :-)MadMikehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03593724257782751406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-10826031308127361332006-08-07T10:55:00.000-07:002006-08-07T10:55:00.000-07:00Brigadeer General any good?"Army Col. John M....Brigadeer General any good?<br><br>"Army Col. John M. Custer III has been nominated for appointment to the rank of brigadier general. "<br><br>Rumsfeld's really going for that "Ye Olde" style.Calhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07794192772436825395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-38451263926836227012006-08-07T10:18:00.000-07:002006-08-07T10:18:00.000-07:00". . . as we circle our wagons in Baghdad. ....<i>". . . as we circle our wagons in Baghdad. . ."</i><br><br>All we lack right now is a general named Custer.Recidivisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02824272869804979764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-66909429644925994192006-08-07T09:51:00.000-07:002006-08-07T09:51:00.000-07:00Thanks to Al122, I can offer you Jonathan Tasini t...Thanks to <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/7/115525/6589" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Al122</a>, I can offer you Jonathan Tasini to reinforce my points made above:<br><br><i>...and Sen. Clinton is trying to obscure her record by shifting the focus to Rumsfeld. Most people want a timetable for withdrawal. She does not and has repeatedly voted for prolonging the war, and the many deaths the war continues to cause. All the verbal acrobatics about Rumsfeld's failures should not obscure the fact that Sen. Clinton has been wrong on the war all along, especially in her undermining of fellow Democrats who want to reverse course. She remains wrong today...</i>Vigilantehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07640246609540057997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-89256484676032033922006-08-07T09:18:00.000-07:002006-08-07T09:18:00.000-07:00If Lamont wins, I hope he becomes the scourge of K...If Lamont wins, I hope he becomes the scourge of K Street.<br><br>Is the light finally beginning to peek through the foul and dank Republicon miasma that has enveloped the country? I hope so. I really, really hope so.No. 44noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-60034558618141752792006-08-07T06:37:00.000-07:002006-08-07T06:37:00.000-07:00Great Stella!But can you tell us who will write Li...Great Stella!<br><br>But can you tell us who will write Lieberman's <i>lament</i> and how it will go?DB Cooperhttp://www.sozadee.com/e107/forum.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-39569286247283121172006-08-07T01:06:00.000-07:002006-08-07T01:06:00.000-07:00Messenger, I am convinced that the wine can be re...Messenger, <br><br>I am convinced that the wine can be restored by moving it from the present sources of hot air.<br><br>Stella,<br><br>Why don't officials of the Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, Army and Navy etc. hire you to do information mining for them? I bet you'd find Osama Benladin in less than a week and, with a bit of a luck, even Amelia Earhart wouldn't be mission impossible to you. :)Pekkanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-5228325891936652652006-08-07T00:29:00.000-07:002006-08-07T00:29:00.000-07:00Tom Lehrer is a riot. I found the song for you, m...Tom Lehrer is a riot. I found the song for you, messenger:<br><br>Whatever became of Hubert?<br>Has anyone heard a thing?<br>Once he shone on his own,<br>Now he sits home alone,<br>And waits for the phone to ring.<br><br>Once a fiery liberal spirit,<br>Ah, but now when he speaks he must clear it.<br>Second fiddle's a hard part, I know,<br>When they don't even give you a bow.<br><br>"We must protest his treatment," Hubert,<br>Says each newspaper reader.<br>As someone remarked to Schubert,<br>"Take us to your Lieder."<br><br>(Sorry about that)<br><br>Whatever became of Hubert?<br>We miss you, so tell us please.<br>Are you sad? Are you cross? Are you gathering moss<br>While you wait for the boss to sneeze?<br><br>Does Lyndon, recalling when he was VP,<br>Say, "I'll do unto you like they did unto me?"<br>Do you dream about staging a coup?<br>Hubert, what happened to you?Stella by Starlighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16385761338190877425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-80687429020987741282006-08-06T21:51:00.000-07:002006-08-06T21:51:00.000-07:00Pekka, let's hope it's just the wine that&...Pekka, let's hope it's just the wine that's lost its flavor and that the vine itself can be healed and restored.<br><br>Speaking of vinegar, HHH was once the liberal hero. What became of him is the subject of Tom Lehrer's song "Whatever Became of Hubert?" <br><br>"<i>Whatever became of Hubert? <br>Has anyone heard a thing? <br>Once he shone alone, <br>now he sits home alone <br>and waits for the phone to ring. <br>Once a fiery liberal spirit, ah, <br>but now when he speaks he must clear it. ...</i>"<br><br>I forget the rest.....Messengerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07717447585401926179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8356601405469434111.post-56856510798315799122006-08-06T19:56:00.000-07:002006-08-06T19:56:00.000-07:00Vigil,Mmmmm, pure caviar is what you laid out on f...Vigil,<br><br>Mmmmm, pure caviar is what you laid out on front of me and, I certainly keep licking my lips in antisippation for more goodies dropping from election tables. You are absolutely right that this cork in the bottle neck of democracy has to be popped out especially when it is musty and spoiled and even if the vine has turned into vinegar.Pekkanoreply@blogger.com