As always, Roberts goes a wee bit too far on the hyperbolic scale for my tastes so I'll try to be discreet about how much I quote with approval:
....Generals have to fight wars that civilians start, either from the incompetence of their diplomacy or the arrogance of their hubris. Generals have to get young troops killed because of the stupidity or ambition or corruption of civilian government officials.There you have it. What better evidence do you need than these two statements from opposite ends of the tweedle-dee/tweedle-dum spectrum?
.... McChrystal didn’t restart America’s aggression against Afghanistan ....
People elected Obama, because they were tired of Bush’s wars based on lies. So Obama ... re-ignited the Afghan war. No one knows what these wars are about or why the bankrupt US government is wasting vast sums of money, which it has to borrow from foreigners, in order to murder the citizenry in two countries that have never done anything to us.
Just as Bush/Cheney and their criminal neocon government deceived the world that Saddam Hussein had “weapons of mass destruction” that threatened white people everywhere, Obama has conflated the Taliban with al Qaeda. Obama has sold the tale towhiteNATO countries that unless the US determines how Afghanistan is ruled and by whom, white people are in danger of being exterminated by al Qaeda Taliban terrorists.
The most telling aspect of the McChrystal-Obama contretemps is that it has caused no one in the US government, or media, to ask why the US is still killing women and children in Afghanistan after 9 years ....
Once the Roman senate, the legislative branch, collapsed, the caesars, the executive branch, became the captives of the military. Now with Gen. Petraeus once again moved to the fore as McChrystal’s replacement in Afghanistan, we have the Obama moron elevating Petraeus to the Republican presidential nomination in the next election. Thus has Obama replaced himself with a man who will unify the military and executive branch .....
Petraeus is an evolved form of general. He “won” in Iraq by paying protection money to the Sunnis who were effectively resisting the US occupation. Petraeus figured out that it was far cheaper and more efficient to put the Sunnis on the US military payroll and to pay them to stop fighting, which is how the war between the Sunnis and the Americans ended. To keep the Americans out of the ongoing large scale sectarian violence that continues to slaughter Iraqis, the US military was confined to remote bases.
If history is a guide, the Afghans will also accept Petraeus’ protection money, and Petraeus has just enough time to buy the Afghan war before the next presidential election.
The Afghans will, of course, take the money and wait us out, just as the Iraqis are doing.
All of this drama is playing out despite the continuing lack of any valid reason for the American invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. The Washington idiots, trying to dictate how Iraq and Afghanistan are governed, are destroying constitutional government in the United States. In our hubris to determine how Iraq and Afghanistan are ruled, we are losing our own government.
First from Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein we can see which way civilian-military relationships are evolving:
If he can't work with the ambassador, the ambassador should be changed. If he can't work with Holbrooke, that should change. ... I think we put all our eggs in the Petraeus basket.Neocon William Kristol agrees:
Let us now praise Barack Obama... The only thing Obama could have done to more dramatically minimize the significance of the July 2011 date would have been explicitly to repudiate it. He should do that, and in a few months he may.History will record that the American dream started its transition into an American nightmare during the Bush-Obama epoch.
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ReplyDeleteHistory will record that the American dream started its transition into an American nightmare during the Bush-Obama epoch.
And I can't believe you think Roberts indulges overmuch in hyperbole. You know he's just trying to make up for the support he gave to the Reagan incursions in the Americas.
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You know something is screwy when little Billy Kristol says, "Let us now praise Barack Obama."
ReplyDeleteI don't think Obama is an idiot. But he's definitely the horse the M.I.C. is riding right now:
ReplyDelete"But I reject the notion that the Afghan people don’t want some of the basic things that everybody wants: basic rule of law, a voice in governance, economic opportunity, basic physical security, electricity, roads, an ability to get a harvest to market without having to pay too many bribes in between. And I think we can make a difference, and the coalition can make a difference."
Those are the words from the horse's mouth. Personally, I reject the notion that the American people don't want some of the basic things that everyone wants.
I'm with Messenger and will make no further comment except to say that I would never call the president an "idiot." The exception was George Bush who actually was an "idiot."
ReplyDeleteI'm not so sure the republicans would take a chance on a general since Eisenhower turned out to be such a good president. They courted Colin Powell then when they had him, put him in a closet only to be let out for photo ops.
ReplyDeleteIt took Nixon into his second term to get us out of Vietnam. History repeats itself. This is though a dangerous game President Obama plays with Iraq and Afghanistan. He's gambling that being a tough war president will get him more votes than getting us the hell out. I'd rather he get us the hell out but I will vote for him anyway. I worry about the more rabid liberals than I voting Green Party or something and the loyal republicans sneaking into the presidency because those who voted to leave are disappointed and stay home.
The republicans are loyal as all hell. Despite the lies and hypocrisy, their love of the promise of low taxes and less government we all know are fantasies keep them in the fold.
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ReplyDeleteAll of this drama is playing out despite the continuing lack of any valid reason for the American invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.
ReplyDeleteThis isn't sarcasm but with the Supremes magically making corporations (the MIC) into "people" entitled to free speech does any of this really matter? There's metals in thar Afghan hills and there are far too many powerful "people" that see a profit to be made. They will use their free speech to buy whatever politician to make sure we stay in that country.
I completely agree with the author of this missive. We haven't won a blessed damn thing in Iraq. 1) We sold our souls to the devil. 2) There are still a shit-load (upwards of 4 million) of refugees. 3) Christianity has basically been outlawed. And 4) there still isn't a meaningful collaboration between the various warring parties (yeah, like the Kurds are really going to be in the mood to submit to some sleazy Shiite regime). The very second that we leave that shit-hole, pretty much all of the bets are off, I'm thinking.
ReplyDeleteI tend to agree with Beach. This place is too valuable to leave, and it is not feasible to leave it and let another country ( china) reap the rewards. Also, realizing that the financial sector is the lifeblood of any country, is it smarter to feed the companies than the masses?The Pres may well understand that being a corporatist is the only way to prosperity and the end of Bush's recession.
ReplyDeleteT-Luck,Beach! You guys are fucking crazy. There's no return on investment to be had in Afghanistan. How're we going to get a R.O.I. when we've already wasted gazillions of $$$ and the blood of 5,000 troops there? ROI in what? Lithium? That's fucking crazy...
ReplyDeleteI'm curious - very curious - as to why the author, Roberts, used the word "white"? It was obviously intentional because he used it twice. Why was that?
ReplyDeleteVig, I have to admit (not to sound like I know anything) but your honesty to your beliefs is impressive. Too often people on either side of the divide refuse to challenge their own and you have the balls to stand above it. I'm sorry...I have to go. I need a tissue.
ReplyDeleteI'm still very pissed about the Dodgers blowing a 6-2 lead in the effen 9th to those...those...I can't say it.
Roberts is off the mark saying "No one knows what these wars are about..."
ReplyDeleteHere's a 2008 Mike Whitney excerpt that may interest you:
"Critics of the [Afghan] invasion say that it had nothing to do with Al Qaida or "liberating" the Afghan people from the Taliban, but with establishing military outposts in a geopolitically strategic part of Central Asia in order to surround China, intimidate Russia, and open up pipeline corridors to the resource-rich Caspian Basin."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9721
I also wrote a post that year of how that and Afghanistan ties in with the increasing oil & gas needs of India and Pakistan, and the US divide and conquer strategies. Has a map, too.
http://keepittrill.blogspot.com/2008/12/divide-and-conquer-india-and-pakistan.html
Minerals in Afghanistan?
ReplyDeleteIn 5 years... or maybe 10 years... when somebody asks (if anybody still bothers asking questions 5 or 10 or 20 or 30 years from now) "Hey, whatever happened to all those mineral riches underground in Afghanistan that we heard would pay for the war (or make Afghanistan able to pay its own way in the world)?", the answer will be "well, the warlords took it all"... or "well, it turned out not to be as much as was estimated"... or "well, we're on the verge of making Afghanistan safe enough for US mining companies to get in there". Or maybe "we have the best minds at BP working on that".
History will record that the American dream started its transition into an American nightmare during the Bush-Obama epoch. Truer words were never spoken..er, written.
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